Why I Don’t Believe in Nephilim

Update, October 13, 2011, Here is a video that expresses what I believe on this subject, I hope it makes better sense than I have been able to make.

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This is a discussion I’ve been having with a blog friend, go here for the entire exchange; http://bibletreasuresandpearls.blogspot.com/2011/09/bible-timeline.html

This was too long to post in her comments:
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Hi S., You have a wonderful focused mind, you are an awesome debater, I know you must give your professors a great challenge! I’ll give you all the points you’ve made, I agree with them all. But they don’t change my assessment of the sources of these particular named teachers’ and writers’ materials to which I’ve been referring. Yes, as you’ve said we must and I have used men’s writings and analysis in coming to distrust these particular works by these particular people. I don’t have scholarly expertise, just KJV Bible and English language and the place I’m on in the road to working out my salvation in the fear of the Lord.

My questions;
1.What about the uncanonized manuscripts?
2.Mormon book of Jasher? 3.book of Enoch?
4.Other uncanocial writings of recent discoveries?
such as;

a.
http://dlxs2.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=cdl;idno=cdl205
the Chaldean Account of Genesis “Babylonian fables, and legends of the gods; from the cuneiform inscriptions”

b.
The Greek, Aramaic, and main Ge’ez manuscripts of 1 Enoch and Jubilees obtained in the 19th century and held in the British Museum and Vatican Library,

c.
The Dead Sea Scrolls (discovered 1946) aren’t authenticated either with their being believed to have come from the ancient Jewish sect called the Essenes, Zadokites, or other unknown Jewish groups.

Jesus Christ told his disciples while yet in his earthly ministry that the spirit of antichrist was already at work in the world, so the ancient age of manuscripts does not make them true testimonies of the Word of God. Jesus said that the Word of God would not pass away. He never said that a part of it would be hidden until the end times. That is the only thing we have had since He went to the Father in heaven. He founded the earth upon it and with it. He gave it all, many of the sealed things in Daniel were revealed and fulfilled in Jesus life, death, and resurrection.

The sealed book of life is for the judgment which each person will go through. His second coming will be witnessed by everyone. More about the future I do not understand. I have consulted men’s writings who have studied the languages and the history, but they did not change or add to the gospel.

From website;  http://www.essenespirit.com/who.html

“The Essenes considered themselves to be a separate people–not because of external signs like skin color, hair color, etc., but because of the illumination of their inner life and their knowledge of the hidden mysteries of nature unknown to other men. They considered themselves to be also a group of people at the center of all peoples–because everyone could become part of it, as soon as they had successfully passed the selective tests.

(sounds very secret society to me)

They thought, and rightly so, that they were the heirs of God’s sons and daughters of old, the heirs to their great ancient civilization. They possessed their advanced knowledge and worked assiduously in secret for the triumph of the light over the darkness of the human mind.


 They felt that they had been entrusted with a mission, which would turn out to be the founding of Christianity and of western civilization. They were supported in this effort by highly evolved beings who directed the brotherhood .

(angels or aliens/ufos directing secret societies)

They were true saints, Masters of wisdom, hierophants of the ancient arts of mastery.


They were not limited to a single religion,

(polytheism)

but studied all of them in order to extract the great scientific principles. They considered each religion to be a different stage of a single revelation. They accorded great importance to the teachings of the ancient Chaldeans (worshipers of Baal), of Zoroaster, of Hermes Trismegiste, to the secret instructions of Moses and of one of the founding Masters of their order who had transmitted techniques similar to those of Buddhism, as well as to the revelation of Enoch.
They possessed a living science of all of these revelations.
Thus, they knew how to communicate with angelic beings and had solved the question of the origin of evil on the earth.”

(New Age Different Gospel)

Also as for fallen angels being changed, I don’t see any accepted source saying they received additional powers from God their Creator to procreate. They would have been elevated for disobeying God as man was made in the image of God, but angels were not.

Quayle, Horn, Riggs, Dizdar, & etc. are using these sources (and the ones I gave in previous posted comments) that add to and change the gospel. It is not lightly that I’ve dismissed them and their teachings about nephilim.

I praise the Lord for such a wonderful iron sharpening sister in the Only Begotten Son of God, the only Propitiation for us, the Way, the Truth, and the Door to eternal life, Jesus Christ of Nazareth.:)

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God Has a Better Music

Here’s a “You can’t take it with you.” story;  http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/guitar-stolen-from-casket-764310

I can imagine the joy of making music with the guitar and wanting to take it with him, but I don’t think the instrument would have fit into heaven if it had even been possible. The music of the spheres of God would have made the guitar sound infinitely worse than my rendition of “Jingle Bells” on my toy piano compared to a church organ.

I don’t think I would honor the wish to have “stuff” buried with a loved one that would cause someone to want to steal it, just think of the grave-robbers of ancient societies as well as the unfortunate unwise memorial employee who now has this ignominious deed to his discredit.

Things never stay buried anyhow, just think of all the archeology digs even of the recent past of the Columbian explorers. The bones of the people are dishonored and their gold and treasures taken and put in a museum or worse yet put onto the market place.

I’d much rather have read a story about the father of 9 children and 29 grandchildren having given the guitar to one of them to play forward into life. Instruments are meant to be played, in joy and in sadness, to soothe the spirit, to celebrate, to commemorate, to look forward, in all seasons, making a joyful noise unto the Lord.

(Memorial Song to My Aunt by Her Grandson & Husband, no relation to the news article)

What we leave behind and what we take with us;

Matthew 6: 19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth
and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor
rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

When believers go out of this world, thank the Lord through Jesus Christ, eternity begins, now that will be a concert! Not a false note, not a sour key, not a broken melody, only pure joyous delight! 

Light

                                  Light 

Secrets can remain hidden for a looooooooonnnnnnnnnnngggg time.

BUT

Every secret always come to light, the true light of God is single and pure, it exposes, judges, sanitizes, and heals. There is no confusion in it.

BUT

There is a light that is counterfeit which is in reality darkness. The world gives this guidance as popular culture, pleasant to behold until its trap is sprung, the jaws of it gleaming cruelly.

Don’t be afraid of the dark.
Don’t be afraid of loud roaring noises.
Don’t be afraid of evil.

Fear rather God who can destroy both the body and the soul. There is no darkness in Him at all, He is Light.

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Matthew 6: 22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
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Notice the context in which this truth is told by Jesus Christ;

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Matthew 6:


19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.


22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!


24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

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The light of this world is darkness, how great is that darkness! Yet it cannot survive the scrutiny of the Light!

Jesus came to light the way to eternal life! Praise Him! Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost!

MyMater & Me

Just to introduce my new background, I’m using this old Polaroid complete with the tab still attached that you pulled out of the camera to activate the developing jell that squished between the positive paper and the negative backing paper.

You had to carefully hold onto the whole assembly for 60 seconds, then peel it apart and apply your fixer liquid with the kit brush to coat the picture to keep it from fading away. I still remember the smell of that chemical concoction.

I remember my dad (whose finger print is in the lower right hand corner) across the street making the picture and me doing what I liked best, skipping on the sidewalk, while my mother and my grand aunt and uncle sat on the park bench.

I think it was in Waukeegan, WI. , but no idea why we were there, but I enjoyed myself where ever I was when I was four.  I still do. 

For Susan So It Won’t Clutter Her Blog, My Comment on Chaz vs AFA and FOX

http://susanflutterbys.blogspot.com/2011/09/american-family-associations-comments.html

Hi again, Susan, Now I’ve watched, here goes my reaction to your post;

After giving the folks like Donald Wildmon’s AFA (AFA also sells a family-friendly internet filter for an annual fee of $49.95.) a couple of decades to influence the cleaning up of the air waves I think they’ve done a, excuse my French here, Susan, piss poor job! I have to say if anything they’ve made it worse for the true church by giving the illusion that there is a way to take the powers of the air over for good.

So church members keep on paying the bills and surfing the channels for “something decent” to watch all the while getting flashed in the face with putridness of ALL kinds.

I do think that we have to point it out that this is abhorrent sinful behavior, but I think these folks (not 100% of them), AFA and FOX are pharisees who want to take us under the law again, I think they’re pseudo conservatives who want to make over the world for the kingdom-now-theology that will lead (they hope?)to Antichrist setup in the one world order of “peace and safety/ security” (that is until the mark of the beast is trotted out).

It is so complex how the forces of antichrist work all the angles, liberal/conservative, right/left, R&D.

Personally I’ve never been more defrauded than when I’ve watched and listened to the prurient news reports that O’Rielly, Hannity, etc. and the prom queen–leg crossing–high heeled beautiful talking heads, with the defrauding “news” film footage of the things FOX is “outraged” about. Visit the website and get the most titillating stories on their sidebars and advertisements as well as their Murdoch network and pornography connections. It just doesn’t wash to me.

A controversy stops existing when people refuse to watch. That’s the only solution.

Christians watching TV, just deactivate the 95% of channels that offend Jesus or stop enriching the makers of those shows with pay subscriptions. We’ve been lead to believe that our “Christian” dollar is valuable to these people, but that is a lie. These people who make TV of this kind have no need for our money, they want to make the church just as dirty as the world.

We do have choices, and they are cut and dried, dear friend, we can cut off the offending limb or pluck out the offending eye, but we’re not going to stop the networks from putting this life offending–junk on the air. Jesus Christ’s kingdom is not of this world. “Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil”, I echo in prayer for the true church not made with hands.:)

Are Evangelical Christians Warmongers? by Chuck Baldwin

(Materhopes, Materlearns, Materviews) 

Mr. Baldwin speaks as I have thought in my heart, but have not been able to express to my brothers and sisters in corporate church bodies. I pray for the scales of partiality and political party and FOX news to be taken from the eyes of the members of Christ Jesus’ true church.

I was completely speechless when a Christian deacon of a Southern Baptist Church answered my question 3 years ago about the children and women and civilian deaths in the middle east war actions with this, “We have to kill them or they’ll come over here and kill us.” He was 79 years old, the father of 8 children, and a strong-in -body-and-mind-hardworking-fair-dealing-active-in-good-works deacon, his wife taught the women’s Sunday School Class. But he had a totally blind spot when it came to our US government when run by the “right” political party or the “right” application of military might even by the “wrong” party. I saw much more than I ever wanted to see into the corruption of “Christians” who could reconcile that brainwashing from FOX, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Bill O’Relliey, and their “End Time” prophets.
(Materhopes, Materlearns, Materviews)

http://www.infowars.com/are-evangelical-christians-warmongers/

Excerpt;………………. The biggest cheerleaders for the unprovoked, unconstitutional, pre-emptive attack and invasion of Iraq were evangelical Christians. Ditto for the war in Afghanistan, the bombing of Libya, the attacks in Yemen, etc. Who is calling for the bombing of Iran? Evangelical Christians. Who cheers for sending more and more troops all over the world to maim and kill more and more people (including innocents)? Evangelical Christians………….

…………….A recent report noted, “In 120 countries across the globe, troops from Special Operations Command carry out their secret war of high-profile assassinations, low-level targeted killings, capture/kidnap operations, kick-down-the-door night raids, joint operations with foreign forces, and training missions with indigenous partners as part of a shadowy conflict unknown to most Americans. Once ‘special’ for being small, lean, outsider outfits, today they are special for their power, access, influence, and aura.”

To see the complete report of America’s secret wars, go to:  http://tinyurl.com/3q7s335

Yet, how much of this knowledge would even faze the average evangelical Christian today? All we hear from today’s “churches” is “bomb,” “attack,” “wipe them out,” etc. Then, at the same time, they get all emotional about sending missionaries to the same countries that they had just cheered-on the US military in raining down missiles of death and destruction upon (to bring salvation to the lucky ones that weren’t killed, I suppose).

And who are the ones that belittle and impugn Ron Paul? Evangelical Christians. Why? Because he tells the truth about America’s foreign policy being responsible for much of the hatred and bitterness erupting in foreign countries against us. I guarantee you that many of the “conservative” Republicans who booed Dr. Paul’s comments to this regard at the GOP Presidential debate this week would identify themselves as evangelical Christians.

See the report at:  http://tinyurl.com/3otfnzr
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…………………. But this blind support for illegal, immoral, unconstitutional war is anything but Christian. Not only is it turning people against our country among people abroad, it is turning our own countrymen against the Christ we Christians claim to love right here at home.

I dare say that the modern Warfare State would grind to a screeching halt tomorrow if evangelical Christians would simply stop supporting it! (materhopes emphasis) And the thing that most evangelical Christians fail to realize is that the Warfare State is one of the primary tools that the evil one is using to usher in his devilish New World Order that even babes in Christ know to be of Satan. Hence, Christians are helping to promote the very thing that Satan, himself, is using to enslave them. END EXCERPTS

Roles, What Family Has Become, How Corporate Church, Career, and Government Usurp God Given Family Structure

Yes, it’s a very loaded and ambitious subject to broach. Consider with me, I’ve come up with a question/observation. I think I know why the traditional family pattern has been harmed rather than reinforced by the corporate church of today’s pattern. Simply put it has substituted for the extended family unit.

The catch phrases I’ve heard in 40 years of corporate worship bodies such as, “I’m glad to be a member of the family of God.” and many others have implanted in my mind as superseding my flesh and blood and by marriage families. In theory these phrases shouldn’t be detrimental to our earthly families because it is the ultimate truth that we are individuals who are related to each believer in Jesus, but I think it invokes in us a callousness toward our unbelieving relations that is not at all intended for us to hold as Christians.

When Jesus spoke to the Pharisees and scribes in
 
Mark 7: 5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? 

 6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 

 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 

 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 

 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 

 10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 

 11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. 

 12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 

 13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

 I wonder if the modern church has not been guilty of filling the gap of human relationships in our industrial technological world (that includes birth controlled small families and careerism as being godly pursuits of modern life choices as being OK with God because, we are told, we don’t live the way our grandparents lived in the horse and buggy days?

Now we are all familiar with the post WW2  changes to the family, just picture the differences, and then let us ask, “Did God’s pattern for the family change?” I don’t think so……..but the corporate 501c3 chruch surely has a different agenda with our daycare centers for working mothers and our divorce recovery and single adults groups, etc., etc………..Those areas used to be family business and only very close friends came anywhere near those zones and then with very great trepidation and respect for the sanctity of the family.

 Now we are being told, “Don’t think of it as the federal government but as your “federal family.”
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/storm/femas-use-of-term-federal-family-for-government-1808751.html 
 by George Bennett Palm Beach Post Staff Writer, Sept. 1, 2011.

 I decline the last offer to transfer my trust to the “federal family”, I draw the line there! But I suspect that I should have been more careful to nurse and care for my traditional family extensions.

What do you think?